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#21 Romantic Technofreak

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Posted 18 March 2007 - 02:06 AM

OK, here are BlackWolfs pictures again - and edited. I omit two because they seem to be repeatings.


#1-3: Under construction
B-19-11.jpg

B-19-13.jpg

B-19-20.jpg

#4: First rollout
B-19-21.jpg

#5-7: Ready for the parade
B-19-01.jpg

B-19-03.jpg

B-19-05.jpg

#8-10: The big event
B-19-07.jpg

B-19-02.jpg

B-19-17.jpg

Second part separated because of the new limitation for 10 Pictures per posting. See continuation below.

Regards, RT
 



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Posted 18 March 2007 - 10:36 PM

Hi,

the wing's leading edges appear to me like, there is another pair of engines still missing at each wing...

Underpowered from the start, I should guess.

Interesting features: Tricycle gear (THE FIRST...?), the sheer size of the main wheels: Woah!

Great plane, great stuff - great, RT! :D

Cheers!

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Posted 20 March 2007 - 06:11 AM

RT, or any one else,

Do you have any idea of what the payload was? The B-19, and the B-15 too, looks like a lot of airframe for the engines used. Was there any power left over to carry anything?

You just have to love the guns on that plane though - 37mm's for defense! When I read about that in Flying Guns of WWII I was impressed, of course you'd need a gunnery director to get the range advantage out of such big guns.

Great post.
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Posted 20 March 2007 - 06:32 AM

Wonderful photo record!

Douglas or Boeing? That is the question...

The B-19 was a proof of concept airplane. A question was fielded in the last part of the thirties... HOW BIG AN AIRPLANE CAN YOU BUILD?

America was fledgling at 'big' back then. They gave it a go. Whilst building that behemoth, many 'big' learnings went on to be applied in short order to 'Flying Fortresses and Liberators...etc.

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Posted 20 March 2007 - 06:35 AM

quote:Originally posted by seppalar

RT, or any one else,

Do you have any idea of what the payload was? The B-19, and the B-15 too, looks like a lot of airframe for the engines used. Was there any power left over to carry anything?...


Great post.
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A print shop, a cinema house, bowling alley, smelter... HAAA!

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Posted 20 March 2007 - 08:57 PM

quote:Rick Seppala wrote:

Do you have any idea of what the payload was?

Quick google search gave: 16,830 kg bombs. Normal range 4200 miles. Could surely be increased - in disadvantage of the bomb load.
 

quote:Trexx wrote:

Douglas or Boeing? That is the question...

When McDonnell-Douglas was swallowed in 1997 by Boeing, also the archive went over...

 

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A print shop, a cinema house, bowling alley, smelter... HAAA!

On transoceanic flights, you surely need something to entertain the bored crew. But you forgot the bar![:0]
The print shop is no new idea, it was already installed in the Tupolev ANT-20 "Maksim Gorky" propaganda plane (the cinema too). It also would be a nice idea to cross an ocean for dropping 16,830 kg of leaflets than anything explosive...[:X]

I found two new fine pictures.
From airwar.ru:
b19-2.jpg


From geocities.com:
smb-19-1.jpg

I also don't know what this night action is all about:
B-19-04.jpg

Very obscure! ;)

Regards, RT



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Posted 20 March 2007 - 10:46 PM

That second picture would asppear to solve our debate on page 1 - the fighter flying with it is definately a P-40

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Posted 21 March 2007 - 02:07 AM

Thanks, RT!
The photos are terrific. The Maxim Gorky notes are poignantly mentioned too!

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Posted 22 March 2007 - 03:04 AM

RT,

thanks for the info on the payload. It looks like it could have been a useful plane if it had been a few years earlier. If it had been flying in 1937 or 1938 it might have been usable over Japan in 1941, or as an ocean patrol plane at around the same time.

Maybe if they went to a 57 or 75mm nose gun it could have been useful against surfaced U-Boats or raiders.

Still, that was one heck of a big plane. Somehow the Maxim Gorki made more sense though - the SU being more into "big stuff" propaganda than the States was. Maybe if they put a Coca-Cola bottling plant inside...
The Brits could have used something like that to haul a brewery around, now that would have been worthwhile.:D



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Posted 23 March 2007 - 04:33 AM

quote:Originally posted by seppalar



The Brits could have used something like that to haul a brewery around, now that would have been worthwhile.:D



Quoting Current Guiness ad campaign, "Brilliant".

The bomb-bays would be handy in disposing of the considerable waste of organic matter and maybe even provide a lu from time to time! Just another way to 'piss-off' the Germans...




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