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Duel: Douglas SBD vs. Mitsubishi A6M


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#1 CORSNING

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Posted 03 February 2018 - 07:03 PM

I have fairly recently acquired a couple of books that go into great lengths on

aircraft vs. aircraft. RT has done an exceptional job of posting many duels of

WW2 aircraft on this site already. I hope that the several 'duels' that I intend

to post in the future will help to complement what RT has started.

This particular matchup has always been a mystery to me. The Douglas SBD

was also used by the USAAF as the A-24. In one particular military test it

outright states that in A/C vs. A/C the Hurricane was the best aircraft to use

against the A-24 be cause of its slow tight turning circle.

All this leads one to wonder what a Douglas P-?? would have performed like.

Think shrunken, lightened, one crew member and perhaps war emergency

powered SBD.

 

The following is Captain Eric M. Brown's assessment of the SBD-3 Dauntless

versus the Zeke. This duel is listed under the chapter " 1942 Year of Mixed

Fortunes ". That would make the Zeke model in question probably an A6M2

or possibly an A6M3:

 

SBD-3 Dauntless Versus Zeke

The Dauntless would find itself totally outlclassed by the redoubtable Zeke,

which would be able to deal with it summarily in any phase of flight. The

slow operation of its dive brakes made the Dauntless particularly vulnerable

at the start and termination of a dive-bombing attack. The only hope of

survival was a lucky hit by the rear gunner.

Verdict: From this one-sided affair the Zeke would likely emerge victorious.

 

I actually totally agree with Cpt. Brown. However there is always the definitive

truth that there is no substitution for skill and experience. Double T actually was

the first to bring this duel up on this site back on 4 Feb. 2007. It has become

time to share the event with the rest on this site.

 

 

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=4eDPyvyt-MQ


Edited by CORSNING, 04 February 2018 - 01:32 PM.


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Posted 04 February 2018 - 03:32 AM

It is often quoted that Lt Stanley "Swede" Vejtasa shot down three A6Ms flying a SBD on 8 May 1942. It is less often quoted that "Lundstrom in "The First Team", definitive reference on USN F4F ops and USN air combat generally in 1942, stated flatly that the Japanese lost no fighters in that combat".

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 05:02 PM

The Vejtasa incident reminds me of a story of a Blackburn Skua IIRC wich repeatedly outturned a Japanese fighter to the point where the IJN pilot had to break away and initiate s new attack, wich ended in another caroussel and vice versa, until the Skua prooved to have most fuel and was left.

Totally OT, but the humble Dauntless shan't be mentioned without it's scorecard gets displayed:
6 carriers; 14 cruisers; 6 destroyers and 15 major transport or cargo ships along with several minor vessels!

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Posted 06 February 2018 - 12:13 AM

Any additional details on the Skua incident.

Wiki has the Skua as being withdrawn from service in 1941 but there may have been some on the Indomitable or Formidable in April 42 around Ceylon. The smaller Hermes did see combat and was sunk but was only carrying Swordfish.



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Posted 06 February 2018 - 04:54 PM

Any additional details on the Skua incident.
Wiki has the Skua as being withdrawn from service in 1941 but there may have been some on the Indomitable or Formidable in April 42 around Ceylon. The smaller Hermes did see combat and was sunk but was only carrying Swordfish.

I have tried to find the video of wich i have the remembrance. But aircraft vise have Youtube become clogged by PC gaming extractions, wich makes it very hard to search up on Youtube :-(
As You indicate it might not have been a Skua, however it should be possible to surf up the situation of an circling fight between a Zero (or any agile Japanese fighter) and an unexpected better turning opponent (with rear gunner, of wich I'm at least confident around). But, as mentioned, i haven't been able to refind it so far :-(

Edited by Armand, 06 February 2018 - 04:56 PM.





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