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#1 Kutscha

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 03:44 AM

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http://hrlhydroplane.../en/photo-2017/

 

The itch came back but to old to get back in the seat. :(



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Posted 11 June 2017 - 06:31 AM

Thank you for this, Kutscha.

 

Since years I am trying to keep my mouth shut about this but when somebody else thematizes hydroplanes I can't hold back any more.

 

Because: I was always speculating about converting a hydroplane into a fighter aircraft. As alternative to CAM and floatplane fighters. They should have been kept on board of traditional warships like on merchant ships as well and do their fighter task in the absence of escorting carriers, or to defend island bases where no take-off/landing strip exists.

 

Well, I know the concept has some drawbacks. I expect the body to be considerably heavy, so the flight characteritics would probably not match the ones of a wheeled fighter. It would look a bit like a hybrid between the vessels shown and a Me 163. Remember the Me 163 and the Bf 109 have about the same weight, but the former's rocket engine weighs nearly nothing compared to the latter's piston one (quoted from memory, but I am sure I could deliver the correct numbers).

Also, the low position of the engine endangers it to crack when getting in contact with cold sea water. And, of course, it needs to be picked up after having landed. Further, an introduction of the "Brodie System" (you remember) may have rendered it useless.

 

But - I still like the concept. I know these hydroplanes use to lift easily from the water - often causing severe accidents. But why not making them fit for a controlled flight? WWII-style high-performance engine in the rear, moveable airscrew like in the Dornier Do 212 (which couldn't really fly, I know, but one should have done a real try). And four 20mm cannons in the nose - making a fine bang.

 

Asked for an opinion, my and Greg's Japanese Chino friend Sam refused the concept. He said he rather saw a gull than a hawk. Well, I don't know if this is really a matching comparison. Some gull species and hawk species can have about the same weight, and gulls are known to be aggressive birds too.

 

Sorry for capturing your topic, Kutscha. But I hope I heare some opinions.

 

Regards, RT



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Posted 11 June 2017 - 08:39 AM

RT,

 

Something like this?

 

https://www.google.n...iact=mrc&uact=8

 

Or maybe this..

https://www.google.n...iact=mrc&uact=8

 


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#4 Kutscha

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 09:49 AM

Here you go RT,

 

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That little wing one sees on the front is controllable by the pilote to set the attitude of the boat. (the French call the the driver pilote)

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#5 Kutscha

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 09:58 AM

These really bad boys were not there,

 



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Posted 11 June 2017 - 06:15 PM

Yes, friends, but:

 

- the Piaggio was not a fighter

 

- the Sea Dart was post-WWII

 

- so was the Saro, but it could not compete with contemporary wheeled fighters.

 

I wonder if my concept ever had a chance for realisation and success, had somebody tried it.

 

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 06:24 PM

Yea buddy..

 

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 06:26 PM

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 06:27 PM

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 06:27 PM

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