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#1 Armand

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Posted 30 January 2017 - 10:14 PM

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The Fiat G-91light fighter-bomber was the winner of a competition set in 1953 by NATO after experiences done in Korea.
It was introduced in 1958 and replaced among other the F-84F Thunderstreak wich had been operative in only four years at the introduction of the Fiat. However, in contradiction to the Thunderstreak kept the Fiat being operative for 37 Years.
This picture shows a G-91 under evaluation by USAAF and I wonder what need USAAF had of testing the winner of a NATO-design competition :-/
Would it happen that the USAAF conclusion is avaiable some place? It would be interesting to see 'USAAF testing NATO' ;-)

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 12:07 AM

The US Army tested them. They were looking for a close support aircraft because they were worried that the USAF may not make supporting troops on the ground a priority. They eventually stuck to helicopters.

The US is part of NATO, and they have tested other European aircraft. They even ended up using Harriers.


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Posted 31 January 2017 - 07:26 AM

In 1961 the Army evaluated G-91, A4D Skyhawk and Northrop N-156 in a FAC tactical reconnaisance and ground attack role.

The Army ended up acceding to airforce pressure and abandoned the move to fixed wing jet attack planes,


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Posted 31 January 2017 - 12:31 PM

A slight aside...

The G-91 (an excellent little aircraft) was a very typical example of the many 'common NATO equipment' initiatives that have existed.

A requirement is issued. Designs are submitted, often the USA offer to help subsidize production, testing happens, a winner is picked...

And then (unless it is American) the USA backs out.
France decides it wants something different and backs out.
Britain (pre white paper...) decides to use its own stuff instead

Basically anybody capable of building its own equipment does so...

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 10:53 PM

The US Army tested them. They were looking for a close support aircraft because they were worried that the USAF may not make supporting troops on the ground a priority. They eventually stuck to helicopters.


Unattended tech development surpasses predictions! ;-)

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 10:57 PM

A slight aside...
The G-91 (an excellent little aircraft) was a very typical example of the many 'common NATO equipment' initiatives that have existed.
A requirement is issued. Designs are submitted, often the USA offer to help subsidize production, testing happens, a winner is picked...
And then (unless it is American) the USA backs out.
France decides it wants something different and backs out.
Britain (pre white paper...) decides to use its own stuff instead
Basically anybody capable of building its own equipment does so...
Sigh

I think that except from the Concorde and Airbus have France left any other cooperative developments, and Airbus does only exist because of crazy and costly splitting-up of the production.

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Posted 31 January 2017 - 11:26 PM

I think that except from the Concorde and Airbus have France left any other cooperative developments, and Airbus does only exist because of crazy and costly splitting-up of the production.

 

Sepecat Jaguar comes to mind.



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Posted 01 February 2017 - 05:37 AM

I think that except from the Concorde and Airbus have France left any other cooperative developments, and Airbus does only exist because of crazy and costly splitting-up of the production.


What about the Alpha Jet? It is a German - Franco development.

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Posted 01 February 2017 - 05:44 AM

Sepecat Jaguar comes to mind.


That is one project with a troublesome cooperation... The French wanted a navalized version and the Brits made it to heavy. Result: a underpowered beast with chubby legs. Although it was impressive on take off...Always staying low with a lot of noise....

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Posted 01 February 2017 - 05:09 PM

Sepecat Jaguar comes to mind.

The Jaguar actually came to My mind in the car this morning :-o I comfort myself with Stony's confirmation of Yet another troublesome cooperation ;-)
BTW: What became AMX-30 and Leopard-1 started likely as a French/German cooperation of developing a new generation of battle-tanks!


I had no idea of the Alpha Jet being a joint venture :-(

Edited by Armand, 01 February 2017 - 05:12 PM.

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