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#11 Wuzak

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Posted 30 December 2016 - 12:32 PM

I totally agree with Forum Guru about the "R" series engines.

 

My name isn't Forum Guru. It's just a label that indicates how many posts I have had.

 

Same as you being called Newbie.



#12 Heräkulman Ruhtinas

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Posted 30 December 2016 - 03:29 PM

P-51 prototype with bolt-on Merlin front end

 

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#13 Armand

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Posted 30 December 2016 - 04:21 PM

P-51 prototype with bolt-on Merlin front end
 
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It have become a mission for Me to correct wrongfully use of the (only) USAAF alpha-numeric designations. Hence I have to underline that this pictures are of RAF North American' Mustangs and not P-51's!
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Posted 30 December 2016 - 05:18 PM

Perhaps we should get together and say "thank you" back and forth over a pint or possibly more of Ale. Nothing like can-do cooperation to get things done.

Cheers.


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Posted 30 December 2016 - 05:40 PM

It have become a mission for Me to correct wrongfully use of the (only) USAAF alpha-numeric designations. Hence I have to underline that this pictures are of RAF North American' Mustangs and not P-51's!

 

Hence it is a prototype of the plane, it is also the prototype of P-51 with Merlin, so use of P-51 is justified. But can also be argued that these were converted from Mustang I's of course. Or should we revert to NA-73 for good?  :D

 

"On April 30, 1942 Rolls Royce senior test pilot Ron Harker was invited to fly the Mustang I. He was delighted with the aircraft's handling but felt its performance was held back by its engine. He stated that the Mustang would be a natural for the Merlin 61 series. Harker pressed the Defence Ministry to approve such a change. Permission was finally given and The Brittish, in June 1942, began the fitting of the Merlin 61 to a Mustang I. They used five Mustang Is (serials AM121, AM208, AL975, AM203, and AL963) and the first flew in October 1942 with a re-designation of Mustang X. None of these Mustang Xs were exactly the same. Engineers were trying different techniques and solutions to the new installation."


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Posted 30 December 2016 - 05:49 PM

Heräkulman: the NA-73 should be optimal, but might cause higher confusion in the end :-/
As even the Packard engined ones was used by RAF I urge to simply let the national colors be the base of the naming.

The worst scenario of the subject is the Curtiss Hawk-81's of the AVG: They was originally ordered by France to be called H-81, but was rebuild with Imperial instruments (among other) to be diverted to RAF (to be called Tomahawk). But RAF diverted them towards the AVG, hence the American Flying Tigers pilots operated Curtiss Tomahawks (later to be reinforced by Hawk-87's from US, wich was P-40 Warhawk's :-o )!
Today there are a pair of Hawk-87's delivered to RNZAF under lend-lease and named Kittyhawks (though they was produced as P-40 Warhawks due to the american government was the original costumer), but now flying in AVG paintscheme for airshow use :-o
Wouldn't You agree it's too difficult to know exactly wich naming it rightfully should have and settle with the naming related to the paintscheme?


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Posted 30 December 2016 - 07:36 PM

I agree to some extent Armand, except I'm just going to have a little trouble with the nickname thing.

We put the naming in the British hands and it will go like this; the telephone became the telly or was

that the TV? Well anyway there was the Mossie, the Tiffy and probably more. I just can't get used to

the P-40 and P-51 names over in the UK. The Tommy, the Kitty and the Warry. Then comes the

Musty. :rolleyes:  I'm surprised I don't hear Spitty all day long. B)


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Posted 30 December 2016 - 08:13 PM


Biggest fail was the Limeys let the Yanks designate the Jap's fighters. Leading to the most potent being called Zero :-o
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Posted 30 December 2016 - 08:21 PM

 

 

I'm not the first to say it, but the P-51s couldn't quite do what a Spitifre would do, but they could do what they did over Berlin. The Spitfire could certainly make it to Berlin and fight, but wasn't gonna' make it back in the air.

EXCUSE ME? I am glad you added the word 'quite' in that sentence Greg. I am not totally up on what kind

of runway is needed for the Mustang compared to the Spitfire, so I can't make a judgement call in that area.

HOWEVER, I'm going to guess you are talking interceptor here. IF that is the case look at the aircraft the

British were using for Operation Crossbow. Operation Crossbow was the code name for the interception

of V-1s over Great Britain. This was low level interception duties.

 

Spitfire Mk.XIV:  370 mph./5080 fpm./S.L.,   386 mph./5035 fpm./1,000 m.,   401 mph./4,985 fpm./2,000 m.

Mustang Mk.III:  405 mph./4,700 fpm./S.L.   413 mph./4,655 fpm./1,000 m.   414 mph./4,295 fpm./2,000 m.

 

My point is, the Spitfire was designed to be a world class interceptor. In my opinion it was 'The Standard'.

However, the Mustang could be lightened and made an exceptional interceptor also. The Mustang's

forte was its speed. As long as it kept its speed up (350 mph.) it could maneuver with almost anything.

 

The moral of this post is, the Mustang was a better interceptor than the Spitfire was a long range escort.

Hence the phrase: "Best All Round fighter" still applies. B)  :)


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Posted 30 December 2016 - 08:31 PM

Biggest fail was the Limeys let the Yanks designate the Jap's fighters. Leading to the most potent being called Zero :-o

That wasn't us Armand! The US code named it Zeke and Hamp. Nobody listened to us. All the jackwagons

 and goomers just kept calling it Zero. Can't blame that one on us. :lol:


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