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Curtiss P-36 Hawk, the forgotten fighter?


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#11 Wuzak

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Posted 23 November 2016 - 12:21 AM

While there was a multitude of the P-36's predecessor the P-40 involved in defending the Harbor, there were also many P-36's that fought off the Japanese attackers.

 

Just a minor point, the P-36 was the predecessor of the P-40, not the other way around.

 

The P-40 was the P-36's successor.



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Posted 23 November 2016 - 12:30 AM

For the USAAF, Pear Harbor was enough to convince Air Force brass that the Hawk was obsolete, and The P-40 was the better option. The U.S deemed the Hawk obsolete, and only a few short months after Pearl Harbor the U.S stopped all P-36 use. Even though the U.S gave up on the P-36, many other nations such as the United Kingdom, Free France and Vichy France, Finland, and the Netherlands used the Hawk generally well.

 

I think the decision to retire the P-36 would have come before Pearl Harbor, the reason they had remained in use at that stage is likely because their replacements (P-40s) were not available yet.

 

The RAF thought them not suitable for use in the ETO, and sent them to secondary theatres, such as East Africa and India.


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Posted 23 November 2016 - 05:27 AM

North Africa as well.



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Posted 23 November 2016 - 01:17 PM

Just a minor point, the P-36 was the predecessor of the P-40, not the other way around.
 
The P-40 was the P-36's successor.


This is the place for increasing the knowledge on multiple areas ;-)

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Posted 23 November 2016 - 01:24 PM

My apologies for the errors, I do realize Finland was not a part of Lend-Lease, and yes I will know now to give the other foreign designations of the aircraft in the future, thank you for the Constructive criticism  :). I'll have to find that earlier thread

You accidently walked right into one of my major missions on the www ;-)
If You take a scroll through the posting "tracing the AVG ......." wich still are active, You'll find a strick debate with perspectives around the designation of the Hawk-81 (AKA War/Toma/Kitty -hawk)

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Posted 23 November 2016 - 10:36 PM

Just a minor point, the P-36 was the predecessor of the P-40, not the other way around.

 

The P-40 was the P-36's successor.

Really? I thought the P-36 had it's first flight in 1935, and was brought into U.S service in 1938, whereas the P-40 had it's first flight in 1938, and was brought into service in 1939? Do you mean the design or development of the P-40 came first?



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Posted 23 November 2016 - 10:58 PM

Really? I thought the P-36 had it's first flight in 1935, and was brought into U.S service in 1938, whereas the P-40 had it's first flight in 1938, and was brought into service in 1939? Do you mean the design or development of the P-40 came first?

Predecessor and successor means the opposite of each other.
The 'pre' in predecessor stands for before and without dissecting the word 'successor' it's plain to conclude that the opposite of before is after.
The predecessor of the P-40 is the P-36!
The successor of the P-36 is the P-40!

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Posted 23 November 2016 - 11:12 PM

Really? I thought the P-36 had it's first flight in 1935, and was brought into U.S service in 1938, whereas the P-40 had it's first flight in 1938, and was brought into service in 1939? Do you mean the design or development of the P-40 came first?

 

As Armand explained, predecessor is the one that came before and the successor is the one that came after.



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Posted 23 November 2016 - 11:29 PM

Wow................I think I was intoxicated, excuse me as
I go back to Middle-school English :wacko:



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Posted 23 November 2016 - 11:42 PM

We can be a picky bunch. :lol:






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