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#61 Wuzak

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Posted 27 December 2016 - 10:16 PM

Wasn't it something to do with the position of the island on carriers? That is, the torque would cause the a/c to move away from the island.

 

I believe teh Griffon's torque would swing the aircraft towards the island.



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Posted 27 December 2016 - 11:57 PM

Yes. The Griffon Spitfires and Seafires swung to starboard on takeoff.

I suspect this may not have been a problem with the FAA's original Griffin powered aircraft, which were heavier and slower than Seafires.


Edited by flying kiwi, 27 December 2016 - 11:58 PM.


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Posted 02 January 2017 - 03:42 PM

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The Fame of the P-51 Mustang lies solitarely in it's latter achievements as a capable fighter with sufficient range to work as escort for the Berlin bomb-raids.
However, the range became possible just by increasing the internal fuel tank together with the use of exterior droptanks.
The extra fuel caused a remarkable increase in weight, wich made the magnificent fighter a lame duck during the initial stage of the bomber escort :-o
In fear of Göring happened to give it a thought the escort was divided in two parts: An initial 'penetration stage' performed by fighters with shorter range wich returned when the eighth airforce P-51's joined at a given rendevous-point where the most of the extra internal fuel was used and the full fighter capability could be etablished by jettisoning the drop tank!

Edited by Armand, 22 February 2017 - 09:36 PM.


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Posted 02 January 2017 - 09:51 PM

The P-51 was a very good all around fighter, not solely just a long-range aurcraft. It did ALL tasks, like many ohter aircraft that were pressed into service doing something other than the initial design purpose because they were available and the job had to be done. As an all-round fighter, the P-51 did exceptionally well, succeeding pretty well at everything it did.

 

You can say the same for many fighters, not just the P-51, of many nations on both sides. The Ju-88 comes immediately to mind, along with the Fw 190, Spitfire, Hurricane (who'd have ever thought it would be shot from a catapult at sea? Or operated from a carrier?), the Zero, etc. 

 

But perhaps I simply misundertsand what you were saying just above. Could be. Cheers.



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Posted 02 January 2017 - 10:17 PM

Lame duck? During the penetration stage of the bombers they were escorted by other fighters such as P-47s and RAF Spitfires and Mustangs (afaik RAF Mustangs didn't have the fuselage tank). USAAF P-51s flew directly to the rondevous point where the penetration fighter escort would RTB. At that point, the fuselage tank was less than half full and had no effect on the a/c and the drop tanks would close to empty, if not empty. The Luftwaffe usually didn't attack during the penetration stage of the mission.


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Posted 02 January 2017 - 10:37 PM

#15:
The Fame of the P-51 Mustang lies solitarely in it's latter achievements as a capable fighter with sufficient range to work as escort for the Berlin bomb-raids.
However, the range became possible just by increasing the internal fuel tank together with the use of exterior droptanks.

 

The range was also a product of its excellent aerodynamics.

 

With the same amount of fuel and the same engine the Spitfire would not have gone as far.


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#67 Armand

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Posted 03 January 2017 - 09:04 PM

Lame duck? During the penetration stage of the bombers they were escorted by other fighters such as P-47s and RAF Spitfires and Mustangs (afaik RAF Mustangs didn't have the fuselage tank). USAAF P-51s flew directly to the rondevous point where the penetration fighter escort would RTB. At that point, the fuselage tank was less than half full and had no effect on the a/c and the drop tanks would close to empty, if not empty. The Luftwaffe usually didn't attack during the penetration stage of the mission.


Taken AD NOTAM: I've rewritten the last sentence!
This detail is actually quite unspoken when the P-51 gets it's usual glorifying tales :-|

(Talking of: I've morely added an introduction to the first posting)

Edited by Armand, 03 January 2017 - 09:16 PM.


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Posted 03 January 2017 - 11:52 PM

Armand, is was not 2 but 3 parts > penetration, target support and egress. The egress was performed the a/c that performed the penetration part.



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Posted 04 January 2017 - 10:20 PM

Armand, is was not 2 but 3 parts > penetration, target support and egress. The egress was performed the a/c that performed the penetration part.


I have realised that in the moment You wrote the Thunderbolt was used for the penetration escort, as the ground attack capacity was exploided as free-hunt missions during their return flight.
However this is ment to be be a short curious fact and not a saga of the Eight Airforce!

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Posted 05 February 2017 - 12:51 AM

#16:
The reknown Antony Fokker built his first aircraft in 1910. He called it the Spin wich might sound like a challenge to the destiny.
However, Spin means spider in Dutch and the (nick)name was caused by the numerous strings supporting the wings of the monoplane resembling a spider in the middle of it's net!

Edited by Armand, 05 February 2017 - 12:59 AM.





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