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#1 Armand

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Posted 30 October 2016 - 11:32 AM

Under this posting I attend to collect curious details around primarely WW2 aircraft.
Some have been on my mind for long, but other might be handpicked details occuring in the postings and debate at the forum!
[edited: As pr June 2017 I have fullfilled some of my postings with details ocurring among comments!]

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Depending on the range of mission could the B-17 load up to 8000lb of bombs.
Machinegun ammunition had a total weight of 3300lb
The 13 Browning M2's including the bracings without turrets had about the same weight.
The eight gunners would weight aprox. The half.
In total weighed the defencies of the B-17 More than the bombs delievered :-o

Edited by Armand, 02 July 2017 - 11:44 AM.

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Posted 30 October 2016 - 11:35 AM

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The reknown Messerschmitt Bf 109 was presented in public for the first time at the opening of the 1936 Olympics in Berlin!

Edited by Armand, 05 November 2016 - 04:44 AM.


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Posted 30 October 2016 - 01:32 PM

    " A 4000 lbs. bomb load was typical for long missions, though the B-17 could carry up to

8000 lbs. internally for shorter distances at lower altitudes and even more on external racks

beneath the wings.

     These increased bomb loads were used to good effect in attacks on the German aircraft

and oil industry before the Normandy invasion of June 1944."

 

Jeff :)  B)



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Posted 30 October 2016 - 05:09 PM

Overload for the B-17 was 17,600 pounds of bombs, not all internal. I'd think that was hardly ever used, if ever at all. Doing so would mean absolute local air superiority because you weren't carrying enough fuel to go OTHER than locally ...



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Posted 30 October 2016 - 05:27 PM

The bombload to crew -ratio of the big four engined bombers caused late and post -war considerations whether four Mosquitos would do it better than one 'fortress'.
IMO not without reason as I find any detail in such alternative tactics in favour of the Mosquito solution. Alone the quadruple numbers of aircraft in faster travelling bomberfleets and with agility as self defence (during returning flight) sounds more than equalling the 'fortress fleets :-/
Additional details: The more than 6000 enemy fighters shot down by the 8th airforce was at the cost of almost 13000 rounds fired for each - Certainly a cost to consider in the calculations :-o

Edited by Armand, 30 October 2016 - 07:32 PM.

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Posted 30 October 2016 - 07:12 PM

Depending on the range of mission could the B-17 load up to 8000lb of bombs.
Machinegun ammunition had a total weight of 3300lb
The 13 Browning M2's including the bracings without turrets had about the same weight.
The eight gunners would weight aprox. The half.
In total weighed the defencies of the B-17 More than the bombs delievered :-o


That is a very interesting fact

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Posted 31 October 2016 - 02:46 AM

A Boeing 747-8 has an operating emtpy weight 485,300 pounds and a fuel capacity of 63,034 U.S. gallons. That's 216,534 pounds! Max takeoff weight is 987,000 pounds, so the full-fuel paylod is 285,136.

 

You can swap fuel for more payload up until IFR minimum levels are arrived at.

 

WWII bombers were similar. ALL had great load-hauling abilities and were dependent on target range as to what payload could be carried.



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Posted 31 October 2016 - 04:36 AM

The B-17 in an overload condition could carry 17,600lb of bombs.



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Posted 31 October 2016 - 05:21 AM

Now the question would be if any B-17 in service use avtually DID that.

 

I don't know how to answer it but would be curious.



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Posted 31 October 2016 - 07:46 AM

The Aphrodite did. They took out 12,000lb of equipment and added 30,000lb of explosives which equates to an 18,000lb bombload
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