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#21 CORSNING

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Posted 08 October 2016 - 06:14 PM

Nice RT, real nice. :rolleyes:



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Posted 28 August 2017 - 05:33 PM

One of my favorite Air Force type movies was Strategic Air Command with Jimmy Stewart.  Lots of good B-36 footage in that one.



#23 GregP

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Posted 11 September 2017 - 11:33 PM

Most people were unaware of the small "hallway" alongside the B-47 cockpit until that movie.

 

One of the guys I used to volunteer with at the Planes of Fame flew B-47s and actually flew one through a LABS maneuver, complete with half-roll off the top. He said they practiced these in a 2-seat F-100 first and then tried in the B-47. Worked beautifully, but they needed the practice to prevent over-g in the B-47, which was not really stressed for aerobatics.

 

Their profile included using just enough power to simulate the B-47's power loading, and then to pull using the B-47 maneuver envelope.

 

He maintains to this day that the B-47 was killed by pure politics, not by demonstrated performance.



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Posted 11 September 2017 - 11:50 PM

Greg, what was the politics involved in the B-47's withdrawal ?

I assumed that it was simply replaced by it's bigger brother the B-52.

Did the B-47 have any specific advantages that the B-52 did not?

 

Love Strategic Air Command for the planes.



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Posted 12 September 2017 - 06:58 PM

According to Fran Pieri, my friend and former B-47 pilot, there was a large faction who wanted to develop the B-47 and a faction who wanted to get rid of it and build the B-52. The pro-B-52 guys included Boeing because there was a LOT more money in a new bomber than there was in continued development of the B-47. The arguments got rather heated, with the pro-B-47 guys saying that WWII was still being paid for and the B-47 could be developed for another 30 - 40 years.

 

As we know, the pro-B-52 guys won, most of the others were retired early, and we STILL have the B-52.

 

I do NOT contend that the B-47 was "better." Rather, I'll state that the B-47 could certainly have been developed for some extended period of time since we didn't have materially better performance than the B-47 for MANY years after the B-52 was procured. It flew with essentially the same speed, albeit with more range. It had a faster top speed but cruised slower. However, the B-47 had sufficient range to deliver nukes and THAT was the main point of contention of the B-47 guys. Either one could have delivered the big stick, although the B-52 could have done it and could have flown a round trip instead of a one-way mission that was never flown in real life.

 

I have a great pic of Fran flying a B-47 refueling from a  KC-97, but it's on my hard drive, not a host.

 

Why can't we upload an image?



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Posted 12 September 2017 - 09:34 PM

It is my understanding that the B-47 was a 'female dog' near the ground, like when landing.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 04:49 PM

According to Fran Pieri, my friend and former B-47 pilot, there was a large faction who wanted to develop the B-47 and a faction who wanted to get rid of it and build the B-52. The pro-B-52 guys included Boeing because there was a LOT more money in a new bomber than there was in continued development of the B-47. The arguments got rather heated, with the pro-B-47 guys saying that WWII was still being paid for and the B-47 could be developed for another 30 - 40 years.
 
As we know, the pro-B-52 guys won, most of the others were retired early, and we STILL have the B-52.
 
I do NOT contend that the B-47 was "better." Rather, I'll state that the B-47 could certainly have been developed for some extended period of time since we didn't have materially better performance than the B-47 for MANY years after the B-52 was procured. It flew with essentially the same speed, albeit with more range. It had a faster top speed but cruised slower. However, the B-47 had sufficient range to deliver nukes and THAT was the main point of contention of the B-47 guys. Either one could have delivered the big stick, although the B-52 could have done it and could have flown a round trip instead of a one-way mission that was never flown in real life.
 

It was a time where jets was hot and pistons not. It might be as simply as that :-/

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:19 PM

It was a time where jets was hot and pistons not. It might be as simply as that :-/


B-47's were also jets....

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:13 PM

B-47's were also jets....


Sorry! I was unconcentrated and hung into the B-36 :-(

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 11:31 PM

The B-36 is hard to ignore, isn't it?






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