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BF- 109 out-turned, out-climbed, out-run by P-51b

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#1 hammy627

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 02:14 AM

In the World's Greatest Air Battles bonus episode season 1 , available on You Tube, Bud Anderson recounts out-turning and out- climbing a BF-109. The climb rates are compared with the BF-109 at 3100 feet per minute, and the Mustang at 3400 feet per minute. Can anyone tell me what model of 109 that would be? Secondly, why are there still people who maintain the geriatric 109 design was better than the P-51? 

 

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 02:15 AM

is the You Tube video. Worth watching!

 

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Posted 24 November 2013 - 08:52 AM

In the World's Greatest Air Battles bonus episode season 1 , available on You Tube, Bud Anderson recounts out-turning and out- climbing a BF-109. The climb rates are compared with the BF-109 at 3100 feet per minute, and the Mustang at 3400 feet per minute. Can anyone tell me what model of 109 that would be? Secondly, why are there still people who maintain the geriatric 109 design was better than the P-51? 

 

Thanks,

 

Hammy

I think they've got their data a bit mixed up. The Messerschmitt looks like a Bf109G-6 to me, and the armament they mention is for the G-6/U4.  The Augsburg figures (http://kurfurst.org/...rftable_EN.html) give 620 kmh (388 mph) and 16.5 m/s (3218 ft/min) climb rate. I always thought they climbed faster than that, but as always, I may have been wrong.



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Posted 24 November 2013 - 04:26 PM

hammy627,

Welcome to the forum. Hope you enjoy your stay here. I'm going to agree with flying kiwi about the armament they discussed when profiling the Bf 109. The 30mm equiped the G-6/U4. However, I have found that the history/military channels are not particularly complete/accurate when describing equipment. In the vidio the Bf 109Gs are portrayed with one 20mm gun pod on each wing (Bf 109G-6/R6 I think). That would explain the maximum speed attainable of 375-390 mph and the added weight would explain the 3,166 fpm. maximum climb rate. The gunboat Bf 109Gs were far less maneuverable than the three gun versions.

If the story had actually been about the Bf 109G-6/U4 version and had been at altitudes under 22,000 ft., the 109 generally would have held an edge in horizontal maneuverability and climb rate.

I am researching, calculating and posting the Fw 190As at this time but hope to start on the Bf 109 performance soon. Once again that will take a lot of researching, studying, calculating and posting. I will be relying heavily on help from others to pull it off.

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Almost forgot to thank you for posting the vidio hammy. Thank you.

Edited by CORSNING, 24 November 2013 - 04:28 PM.


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Posted 24 November 2013 - 04:55 PM

Thanks to both of you for that information!







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