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#11 Ricky

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 08:47 AM

Not here, but I have had issues in other forums. I always copy my post just before hitting 'post', them I can simply paste it and try again

There are few things as frustrating as crafting a beautiful (and long) post and seeing it vanish...

#12 Double T

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Posted 13 May 2010 - 09:22 PM

There are few things as frustrating as crafting a beautiful (and long) post and seeing it vanish...


Yup, and when that happens I'm mad enough to eat fried-chicken!
In the future I'll copy my posts before hitting the submit button.

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Posted 20 May 2010 - 03:15 PM

Hi Greg,

Hey Double T, I don't seem to have a login timeout. Maybe it's your PC system and not the forum?

Hey guys, anyone out there except Double T have a login expire while you are reading or typing for a post?

Check in here so we can narrow down Double T's problem.


I have had this happen a number of times. If some time goes by before I try to preview or submit my posting, I get a screen telling me to log-in again. After doing so, it tells me to "proceed," and all goes well. If, on the other hand, too much time has elapsed, it will tell me to resubmit my posting, but then it will not allow me to "paste" a copy, and all is lost.

The only way I have found to avoid this is to continually "preview post" without letting too much time pass. This seems to reset the time-out starting point to the beginning of a new cycle.

Regards,

Lightning

#14 janet986w

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Posted 30 August 2010 - 01:49 AM

Ricky, Squadron-Signal put out a small book (#6075) - Air War Over North Viet Nam on the VPAF.

There is a list of VPAF claims.

Btw, the infamous Col. Tomb is an imaginary figure.

also a link, http://www.wio.ru/korea/vietnam.htm


Such a very amazing link!
Thanks you for the post.

#15 leenco12

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Posted 08 September 2010 - 05:10 AM

I think there were 16 aces in the North Vietnamese Air Force (9 with the last name "Nguyen!"), 29 PRC pilots with 1 or more kills, 6 US aces, and a lot of US pilots with 1 or more kills, but less than 5.

In total, the U.S.A had 113 to 120 air victories, depending on sources.

The North Vietnamese had 112 air victories, depending on sources. They claimed 266 aircraft from 1964 - 1974. (We also had more claims than victories).

The US lost a lot of aircraft early on when we were not wary of ambush from below. Later, that changed. The North Vietnamese were attacking mostly our aircraft while we were attacking mostly ground posititions. Considering the VAST difference in sorties between the two, these numbers are not surprising. The US flew hundreds if not more sorties most days while the North Vietnamese flew a LOT less, and usually launched when radar said the US aircraft were coming. They were vectored below by ground controllers and attacjed from ambush, and then mostly blasted off for safe areas after one pass. They did this almost EVERY time when flying MiG-21s due to lack of fuel to do anything else, but the MiG-17s could hang around for a fight, and sometimes did.

By the end of US involvement, we were back up to a decent kill ratio. Though the victores were about even, there is great disparity in sorties. The US flew 1,248,000 sorties, more than in WWII. It was MUCH safer, overall, to be flying a US aircraft than a North Vietnamese aircraft ...

I have not been able to uncover any decent rrecords of North Vietnamese sorties, but it is probably on the order of less than 15% of the US sorties.


Also, the North Vietnamese Migs eagerly attacked the bomb-laden F-105 "Thunderchiefs" while studiously avoiding the more-potent F-4 "Phantom." In probably the most successful fighter-vs-fighter mission of the war (I believe it was called "Operation Bolo"), F-4s approached North vietnamese targets flying at the same speed and formation normally used by the F-105s. The enemy radar operators were fooled into thinking that this was another fighter-bomber attack and vectored the Migs into the oncoming Phantoms.




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