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Most adaptable - Spitfire vs Bf109


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Poll: Which was most adaptable? (21 member(s) have cast votes)

Which was most adaptable?

  1. Supermarine Spitfire (17 votes [73.91%])

    Percentage of vote: 73.91%

  2. Messerschmitt Bf 109 (6 votes [26.09%])

    Percentage of vote: 26.09%

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#21 Lightning

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Posted 03 October 2008 - 01:45 PM

Hi Red Admiral,

Were Bf109s used for photo-reconnaissance? I don't remember so but this was a major role for the Spitfire, especially post-war.


The Spitfire PR XIX was a very fine photo-recon plane. It also serves to illustrate my position in this ongoing discussion. Except for the wing, this plane does not have the classic lines of the Spitfire. The wing gives it away, but the changes brought about by pressurizing the cockpit for high altitude operation give it an appearance quite different from that of other Spitfires.

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#22 Kutscha

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Posted 03 October 2008 - 02:38 PM

The PR XIX is just a F MK XIV with cameras. The first 25 or so did not have pressurization.

Avia in Czechoslovakia used the Jumo engine and an annular radiator in their version of the 109. It was a dog. Mtt even installed a radial in a 109 airframe.

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Posted 03 October 2008 - 03:25 PM

IIRC the only discernable different between the PR Spitfires and the regular Spitfires was that the armanemt was deleted, and the lower nose (under the prop) was more 'bulgy' to accomodate a different oil cooler (I think)


Interestingly, taking a read here ( http://www.historyof...pitfire_PR.html ) gives the range of the PR Mk IV as 2000 miles!

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Posted 03 October 2008 - 03:46 PM

IIRC the only discernable different between the PR Spitfires and the regular Spitfires was that the armanemt was deleted, and the lower nose (under the prop) was more 'bulgy' to accomodate a different oil cooler (I think)


The Mk XI had the bulge but that was for a larger oil tank. The oil cooler was under the wing. The MK XIX had no nose changes.

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Posted 04 October 2008 - 02:06 PM

And how about the earlier PR Spits - they seemed to just be Spits with armament deleted and extra internal fuel tankage.

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Posted 07 October 2008 - 01:50 PM

"The PR XIX is just a F MK XIV with cameras. The first 25 or so did not have pressurization."

According to my refference, those were pre-production models. Again, just looking at it shows it to be quite different from the classic Spitfire.

Edited by Lightning, 07 October 2008 - 01:53 PM.


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Posted 08 October 2008 - 07:21 AM

But there it seems you have picked one example that fits your theory, and ignored all the others that do not! There seem to have been almost as many PR Spits as there were marks of Spitfire, and typically they are simply a regular Spit with minor specialist alteration.

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Posted 09 October 2008 - 06:18 AM

Ok...let's have a look.

The Spitfire MkVIII

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PR XI

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The only noticeable difference is under the nose where a larger oil tanks has been fitted. I believe the latter is based on the former.


MkXIV (with Malcolm Hood)
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PR XIX
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The MkVIII was the definitive version of the two stage Merlin engine types. It was originally based on the MkV, which was itself an upengined MkII. The MkIX was literally a MkV with a two stage Merlin. The MkXIV prototype was based on a MkVIII frame, but with a Griffon engine.

The major wing alteration occurred for the MK21-Mk24 versions. This had a slightly modified wing planform.

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Posted 09 October 2008 - 06:20 AM

MkXIV (with bubble canopy)
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Found these here:
http://forum.planeta...d3e70b76890a748

Later XIXs also had contra props, which also slightly changed their appearance.

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Posted 09 October 2008 - 06:25 AM

In case profiles aren't enough....

MkXIV with bubble canopy and clipped wings
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MxXIX with contra props
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From http://www.lesmala.n...-michel/avions/




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