And now the Live Warbirds!!
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Posted by Stony on 27 January 2017 - 07:18 PM
And now the Live Warbirds!!
Posted by Romantic Technofreak on 01 April 2017 - 04:37 AM
Early in 1942, within the Flying Tigers group the rumour went about their Chinese allies had captured a completely intact Mitsubishi Zero fighter. Alarmed by these news, General Chennault requested the Chinese to hand this most modern Japanese fighter over to him for rapid evaluation in the United States, and they agreed. But how to get it to the other continent the fastest way?
Soon before, the Chinese air force had been reinforced with a couple of Vultee P-66 fighters, one of them had been flown over the "hump" by WASP pilot Ms. Ella Fitzgerald Connaughty. General Chennault did not hesitate for long. There was no other way to get the aircraft back to the states but to use British held territory. So he asked Miss Connaughty if she would like to do the task, and she agreed.
As soon as the Zero arrived at the Flying Tigers base, Miss Connaughty made herself familiar with it. It did not take long, and she flew the reverse way back over the hump. The Zero, designed for doing very long distances, had no trouble to cross Burma, India, the Persian Gulf region and into Palestine, then from there to Egypt.
Then, the most difficult part should take place. From now on Axis held or -endagered airspace had to be crossed. Taking off in Egypt, Miss Connaughty went towards RAF Luqa, Malta, where she landed. From there, the Zero had to make it to England without further stop.
Taking off at noon, Miss Connaughty headed towards Sicily, when she suddenly got intercepted by a pattuglia of two Fiat G.50 fighters, flown by Lt. Giorgio Ammorato and Sgt. Giuseppe Tagliatelli.
Before opening fire, the two Italians wanted to find out what strange bird had penetrated their airspace, and neared as close as possible. And they found out - the aircraft was steered by a girl! Miss Connaughty's full curly hair welled from her cap, and her irresistable smile effected reliably also on more than 30 yards of distance. Then she applied full throttle - and off she went. The two aviatori virili left behind could only gape: "Porca miseria! Che una ragazza veloce!"
Miss Connaughty reached RAF Hawkinge at dawn, without any further harassment by Italian, Vichy-French, Swiss or German aircraft. From there, she took the North Atlantic Route, and finally she got to Miami. There, you see her on this picture, which was taken some weeks after her arrival, when she had a holiday (so she wears no uniform) on 1 April 1942.
(picture from Darryl *Mokyme*'s photobucket)
The pattuglia of the two G.50s is this one:
Hope you enjoyed, and read the true story here: http://www.j-aircraf...php?topic=13274
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Posted by Kutscha on 11 January 2017 - 10:14 PM
Like Greg said there have been a few,
airshows at RCAF Rockcliff - Sopwith Snipe and a Spitfire doing a low level pass almost cutting the grass with its prop, Gloden Hawks coming over the bluff one by one (silence then a roar) The Aviation and Space Museum is there now.
grew up about 1.5 mi from the end of the runway at RCAF Uplands so saw all kinds of a/c > Lancaster, Sabres, CF100s, CF104s (seen a CF104 go vertical til out of sight once - heard roar as it was taken off then silence then an almighty roar as the pilot got the engine relit and went AB)
On the interstate in Georgia almost drove off the road when a B-52 came up from behind (never saw it coming) at low level - what a noise as it passed over!!
Posted by GregP on 11 January 2017 - 08:11 AM
My best experience was at Chino, too.
I took flying lessons in 1968, but had to wait untli 1981 to get my license, and life got in the way of flying some 5 - 6 year later. Pan ahead to 2006 and I found myself in So Cal (Irvine) and decided I was close enough to finally go see the Planes of Fame. I went out one Sunday and wandered through the museum and went to my first volunteer meeting some 2 weeks later. Been a volunteer ever since.
I met Dr. Ken Wagoner about 2 years later and became friendly at Flo's Cafe. Later I saw him several times at the musem and started going by his hangar when I chanced across it. He had (and has) a BEAUTIFUL P-51D called Lady Alice. Spotless ... and not a speck of paint out of place. When I walked in and said hi, he immedialtely put me in the pilot's seat and told me not to move any switches as it was primed and ready to fly. I didn't.
Some 2 years later I was in the museum restoration area and he came walking past my workbench on a visit. We had talked casually for a some of that time, and he mentioned he was going on a flight a bit later to practice for his bieniial flight review ... and that I could ride along if I wanted to.
Naturally, I beat him back to his hangar and he took me on a 2-hour P-51 ride that was an absolute blast. He practiced approach and departure stalls, and did some ground reference maneuvers.We flew up around Temecula, then went over to Big Bear for a higher-speed descent to the lake. You can't put the nose of a P-51 down very far without getting somewhat faster! On the way he unstrapped, leaned over one way, and allowed me to lean way forward and take the stick for a bit. It flew EXACTLY like I suspected it would after flying several simulators, and we had a great time going slowly back to Chino over Diamond Bar and the general area. I said slowly, but it was still close to 215 knots!
Now THAT was pretty neat. He is still one of the friendliest and happiest guys I know and will gladly show anyone his beautiful toys (the P-51 isn't the only plane in the hangar). It was a rather high point for me along with getting rides in two different Planes of Fame Musuem aircraft (B-25J and P-40N) over the years of restoration when they were doing maintenance hops or flights to other venues. I didn't get to handle the controls of either of them, but had two more great times flying, that's for sure! Meanwhile, I'm doing aircraft restoration on Saturdays. Mostly sheet metal, some machining, and a bit of painting now and then.
All great fun. And there are NO people around the museum who aren't friendly, good people. It makes for a great place to spend some productive time very weekend, that's for sure.
Posted by Heräkulman Ruhtinas on 29 December 2016 - 09:42 PM
Here is a treat:
Picture of FR-167, the single plane converted to retractable undercarriage.
EDIT: Actually, as this was built in Finland, it was originally built with retractable undercarriage and later, after damage due to a landing mishap, it was converted to fixed undercarriage. Details details
Posted by Romantic Technofreak on 01 December 2016 - 06:28 PM
I would like to share some pictures with you.
#1 (source: Flickr account of *Buidseach*). I especially like this picture. P-36s escorting Fairey Battles:
BTW, are you aware that the P-36 probably is the most colorfully camouflaged aircraft of WWII? Well, one should include pre-war experiments and remote contributors. The USAAF employed an experimental camouflage on the P-36, including even light rosé! So seen (at least suspected) in the 3rd aircraft of
#2 (shown in happyscale-modellbau.blogspot.de, there are other sources too):
These lined-up aircraft also performed formation flights. The first one is easily to be found in
#3 (source sorrily not recorded):
#4 (source: *Mam121061*'s bucket in Photobucket):
A single shot of the leading aircraft is also pictured in
#5 (source: *Kspectre*'s bucket in Photobucket):
The most "eye-catching camouflage", this being a contradiction within itself, was employed in the Vichy French air force, which gained a number of P-36s. They had to paint the engine cowling and rudder in red and yellow stripes, probably to avoid being attacked by one of the warfaring sides.
As there are no good original colour pictures of this, I show you a computer graphic.
#6 (souce: blog for worldofwarplanes.com):
#7 (source: given) shows how this aircraft looks on a contemporary black/white picture:
Let me close with an example from the Imperial Iranian air force, which shows an unique pattern either.
#8 (a model built by the owner of happyscale-modellbau.blogspot.de):
Hope you enjoyed, and regards,
Posted by Romantic Technofreak on 11 October 2016 - 05:14 PM
Once you say it correctly, your toungue will never operate properly again ...
Very well spoken, Greg. More, I fear of getting crazy while trying... and beginning to think in such a language...
OT, and as normally we should leave politics out here, I mean there could be something done for world peace. I don't know how tight the ties between Finland and New Zealand are, but I mean there is always room for an improvement. The following things could be done:
1) Re-open the bar in Äteritsiputeritsipuolilautatsijänkä.
2) Create a bar in Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipukakapikimaungahoronukupokaiwhenuakitanatahu.
3) Perform twinning between these two places. Travelings by politicians and normal people, frequenting the bars, and trying to speak the names on a lot of alcohol consumed.
And, the most important thing: do this all on state money, so the bars won't close down again. Our states waste so much money, e.g. on turkeys like the F-35 or the A400M, so they could spend a comparedly little amount for useful things. Ususally I don't drink much alcohol, but I confess, if world peace required it, I would give my liver for it.
Posted by Armand on 19 April 2017 - 07:50 PM
Can you also put on a spectacular display like the old Fokker?
Posted by Paolo Tagliaferri on 22 February 2017 - 03:46 PM
just wanted to share something funny - there was a spam post that was caught in the spam filter - The post was responding to this thread https://www.warbirds...-debacle/page-1
Here is it ... I think some of these spammers do definitely end up writing comical essays!!!
Posted by Armand on 09 February 2017 - 12:58 AM
Posted by Ricky on 11 January 2017 - 08:47 AM
Posted by F7Ftigercatlover on 11 January 2017 - 12:08 AM
For a lot of us here aviation has been a big deal for most of our lives. Many grew up around aviation, others found out about it later in life, or maybe one incredible experience made us want to learn more. For me it was a combo of all 3, My father was pilot and went to the Reno championship air races form 1973-1986 every year so he poured a lot of knowledge onto me when I was a kid. By the time I was about 8 years old I really began to dive deeper into aviation history, specifically WWII air power, the TV series Dogfights and countless books that my father gave me increased my interest and knowledge in a huge way and it has only gotten bigger since. But the one moment I can say I didn't just want to learn about aviation but pursue a career came when I was 9 years old. It was May of 2009 and it was me and my dad's first trip to the Planes of Fame air show and museum. We had been at the air show since 7:30AM on Sunday but our flight back to phoenix was at 4PM only an hour after the end of the show. The Last flight is a massive grouping of 40 or 50 warbirds flying all at the same time, that was at first the real reason why we were there was to see that marvelous sight. Unfortunately if we were to get to the airport on time we would have to leave about 45 minutes early, I was disappointed, angry, and really devastated. As me and my dad walked back to our car in the grassy parking lot my dad excitedly grabbed me by the shoulder and turned me around and said, "Look, do you see that Sea Fury it's going to fly right over us!" The Sanders family Sea Fury was just finishing it's flight demonstration and in fact was heading right towards us at 400mph while flying at about 70 feet. It ripped right over us, with it's wingtip smoke falling on us. The whole experience made up for my disappointment, and that was the moment I knew I had to fly. Does anyone else have a similar story? I'd love to hear it
Posted by GregP on 07 December 2016 - 05:18 AM
Here is a pic of a complete P-47 Turbo system fully assembled outside of the airframe.
This system was assembled into a P-47 that WestPac restored some years back. It is flying today with a fully-functional turbo system (the only such one as far as I know). The fuselage sheet metal is shown in the background and was completely replaced, as you can imagine from looking at the pic.
Here is an added explanation in addition to Wayne's just above.
Perhaps now you can understand why the P-47 fuselage is so big and deep. Everything below about the bottom skin of the wing is just a sheet metal cover for the exhaust ducting! The exhaust ducts fit inside a Dzus-fitted panel in the lower fuselage and are the bottom set of pipes. The fresh air intake is the center pipe at the bottom and comes up and turns down into the center of the compressor going straight down (see blue arrow at the rear). The intercooler is the radiator in the middle. The compressed air going back to the carburetor is the top set of pipes that passes through the edges of the cickpit and is the reason why the P-47 has a very wide canopy ledge on both sides ... the compressed air goes through there! The compressed air exit from the compressor comes forward from the compressor wheel and has a black rubber boot on it (at the back down low, see red arrow at the rear pinting forward).
The pilot sits right in the middle, just in front of the intercooler (or aftercooler, depending on who you are and how you think). There are two blue arrows and one yellow arrow right in the center where the pilot's seat is located.
The engine exhaust runs through a collector and routes to the turbo waste gate. At lower altitudes, most of the exhaust is routed out the standard exhaust pipe situated down low near the engine firewall in a conventional location. That’s why there are exhaust stains there. As the pilot needs turbo boost, the waste gate slowly closes off the exhaust until, at some point, all of the exhaust is routed to the turbocharger. That’s when there is no more boost left to give.
When the turbo is spinning, the exhaust turns the turbine and exits through the angled slots that spin the turbine-compressor pair. The P-47 then gets very quiet unless you are directly below. The turbo is the exact same as the turbo in the P-38, but the P-38 unit is right side up instead of upside down. It sits near the rear 1/3 of the wing, right at the top of each of the P-38 booms.
The exhaust in the P-38 exits out of the top of the fuselage and is why the P-38 appears to be so quiet on the ground ... the noise goes straight up! If the pilot takes off and does an aerobatic routine, the P-38 gets loud when he rolls so the top of the aircraft faces the crowd.
As an aside, perhaps now it is a bit more clear why the very small P-39 had a tough time being fitted with a turbo system. The P-63 could have handled one as it a much larger aircraft than the P-39.
Hope that helps! - Greg
Posted by Kutscha on 03 December 2016 - 10:03 PM
You need to get more Armand.
Posted by CORSNING on 19 September 2016 - 07:51 PM
One of our members mention an aircraft that I did not include in 2nd Threat: Early 1944
Post # 17. I apologize sir. I have gone to great..eh...some...eh... well a little (very little)
length to find the truth. So while my conscience will not allow me to edit Post #17 I have
decided that since the comparison is going to be so very close it at least warrants posting.
THE BIG DUEL: La-5FN vs. Blackburn Roc.
La-5FN: 373 mph.
The Roc: Oh, I don't know somewhere around a hundred and sixty or seventy. ( This low
speed was built into the Roc intentionally with the idea that everything else in the
air would over shoot it and give the pilot a perfect target.) It was a big disappointment
to find out constantly that while the maneuver proved to be true the pilot had no guns
Full throttle height:
La-5FN: 403 mph./6,000 m.
The Roc: 223 mph./3,050 m. (with a tail wind). I tried to fly this baby up to 6,000 m. but the
altimeter just laughed at me and said 'Hey, cut it out!'
La-5FN; 4,350 fpm.
The Roc: 1,500 fpm. (pilots usually fell asleep from boredom by the time they reached 4,000 ft.)
Time to reach 5,000 m.:
La-5FN; 4.6 minutes.
The Roc: Your kidding, right?
La-5FN: 36,750 ft.
The Roc: 15,200 - 18,000 ft.. ( The discrepancy actually is pilot oriented. This was a plane built
for pilots who were afraid of heights or had a bad case of vertigo.)
Range on internal fuel: (Nobody wanted to fly any longer than they had to in a Roc so no
external stores were ever added).
La-5FN: 360 mls.
The Roc: 610 mls, (No one during war time actually ever went even half that far. Their nerves
were usually shot after 30 minutes thinking about the possibility of being encountered.)
La-5FN: 3.775 lbs./hp.
Roc: 8.933 lbs./hp. (890 hp. from that Bristol Perseus XII could only do so much with 8,000 lbs.)
Wing Loading: (This was actually a very great surprise. Watch closely now.)
La-5FN: 36.89 lbs./sq. ft.
Roc: 25.65 lbs./sq. ft. (That is right, once into the turn the Roc should be able to turn inside the
Note: No such luck. The La-5FN had a very good roll rate approaching that of the Fw-190A.
It took a day and a half for the Roc to roll 45 degrees in either direction.
La-5FN: 2 x 20 mm./200 rpg.
Roc: 4 x 0.303 in./600 rpg. (See there, the Roc had twice as much guns which caused drag and
that is why it wasn't as fast as the Lavochkin. And each gun had three times the ammunition
by the way.)
So, in summation Blackburn's bird wasn't all that far off the mark from being state of the art in
January 1944. It was dam near as fast as that Russkie thing and could have outclimbed
it with a couple of thousand more horse power.
In wrapping things up, I think we should all thank Blackburn......eh.....eh...I don't know. Probably
for something, but not this.
If I see just one...JUST ONE SS $#!+head crawl out of a dumpster anywhere, Germany is getting
the Lend-Lease Roc in force. Don't make me come over there.
I will be watching.
Posted by flying kiwi on 15 September 2016 - 11:14 AM
This is becoming horribly reminiscent of neoconshooter, with his unique facts. All I'm getting from these discussions are strongly stated falsehoods and distastefully stated opinions, with the odd fact thrown in.
Today I read about Mustangs on free sweeps over Germany before 44. This just didn't happen. When I asked about this - no reply so far.
My suspicions were raised when I wrote that one of the VK engines was strange in having exhausts both inside and outside the V. Our friend seemed to take a while to grasp what I was actually saying, giving examples of hot tunnels, Harley V-twins, and Chrysler 6s. None of his examples fitted the criteria. He has not exhibited great reading comprehension. As for telling us about mouths he's filled.................we do not need that.
I won't speculate on why he acts like he does, but it is very tiring. We have had meticulously researched posts in this forum, not least by Edgar. This is not in the same tradition.
Posted by Romantic Technofreak on 14 August 2016 - 02:20 PM
Hi, I would like to share with you this wonderful picture of a restored Shturmovik, which is now part of the Flying Heritage Collection. It flies on an American Allison engine. Here you see it over the city of Samara on the Volga river. The picture also shows how beautiful modern Russian cities can look. Also note the golden U.F.O. that just has landed on a rooftop:
The picture is from the p-d-m.livejournal.com blog (the owner is from Samara).
Hope you enjoyed, and regards,
Posted by Romantic Technofreak on 14 March 2016 - 06:12 PM
I found this low-quality, but nice picture of Akigusa trainers on the net:
Don't know if the pilot is able to see the what the man with the flag is signalling. But probably it is:
(Slow down, you move too fast...)
And now, Greg, get your ass into gear, put your rivet gun aside and question Mr. Maloney! (Greetings to him, by the way.)
Posted by flying kiwi on 12 March 2016 - 10:02 PM
But it didn't meet the spec and the competition did. If the decision is already made, why in the world have a competition? The people who should be picking the fighter are actual service pilots. Train maybe 10 to fly both and have them cast a secret ballot. The winner is the winner, no appeal, no re-test.
I think it might be worthwhile giving the maintenance guys a vote as well. Politicians should be kept as far away as possible.
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