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#1 kids

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Posted 22 April 2005 - 10:13 AM

Which is the BEST overall European fighter during WWII?

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 08:52 PM

Hi kids,

See "Best Fighter" thread. Are you really sure you want to ask this question? Really?

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 09:47 PM

"See "Best Fighter" thread. Are you really sure you want to ask this question? Really?"

Of course, why not? Its complete different discussion. My question focus mainly on European theature and concentrat on European brands: Spitfire and Fw-190. Its not about Best Fighter of WWII, which would include US and Japan into the competition too.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 09:51 PM

The reason that I want to compare Spitfire and Fw-190 was that I have heard thousand times that people claim that Spitfire IX was superior to Fw-190. But I could not find any adequate to back up that claim. Beside Germans, like British, continued to upgrand their technology. So, in my opinons, I dont think Spitfire can outperformed Fw-190. Fw-190 still dominated the theature until the appearance of P-51.

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Posted 23 April 2005 - 10:25 PM

quote: Fw-190 still dominated the theature until the appearance of P-51.


yep, thats right, but it dominated the sky over germany and there was no Spit´(can´t fly so far away)^^ so i´m not surprised that the Fw 190 rules the sky,also because of the fact that there were no adequat contrahents until the appearance of the P-51.



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Posted 23 April 2005 - 10:31 PM

"but it dominated the sky over germany and there was no Spit"

I thought Fw-190 had better range than Spit

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Posted 24 April 2005 - 03:24 AM

the 190 does...

but the point was that the spit (the fighters at least) couldn't move inland much further than a bit off the french coast, so the meat of the engagements would of happened far more inland where the spitty couldn't actually reach

there WERE fights between spits and 190s though, IIRC mainly during british CAPs and fighter sweeps aimed at getting the luftwaffe up to fight

IIRC the appearance of the 190 was a bit of the shock to the spit pilots, I suspect certain varients of the 190 could outperform certain varients of the spit, just as the converse was completely true

its a rather tough comparison thought because of the incremental improvements on both types

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Posted 24 April 2005 - 08:33 AM

quote:Originally posted by kids

The reason that I want to compare Spitfire and Fw-190 was that I have heard thousand times that people claim that Spitfire IX was superior to Fw-190. But I could not find any adequate to back up that claim. Beside Germans, like British, continued to upgrand their technology. So, in my opinons, I dont think Spitfire can outperformed Fw-190. Fw-190 still dominated the theature until the appearance of P-51.

I am literally tired of people saying that the P-51 changed all in the skies. I know it was a good a/c but it was not the best overall fighter (perphaps the best scort fighter), and it's praised versions (p51b to k) only were 1 year in service. The FW 190 was in service for four years and it basically didnt have any major modifications untin the inline version was produced. If you compare a p51k and a ta 152h, the Tank 152 is the best of them.

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Posted 24 April 2005 - 10:47 AM

By the way, does anyone know which Fw-190 ace shot down most P-51 and Spitfire?

Is it Heinz Bar?



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Posted 24 April 2005 - 12:52 PM

no,

i think it was Josef "Pips" Priller, who shot down 68 Spits most of them with a Fw 190
http://www.luftwaffe.cz/priller.html

http://www.luftwaffe.cz/ this side has all lists of german aces of WW2






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