Pages' correction: volunteers needed

[i16stealth]

My current wish is to translate my website to English. But making an article on this language some time ago, I've found that rather tricky. My translation method consisted of two stages: at first I converted the Russian text to English with the help of translating program, and afterwards I had to find the mistakes and to correct them manually. The work was rather hard, as my English is not good enough to perform this operation fast.

But my problem of site translating would be solved more quickly if anyone who speaks English as a native language would help me. The task is to correct the English texts and to find mistakes there.

I fully understand, guys, that you're not obliged to assist, because, as I've said, the work is far from fun. Moreover, in exchange for it I can offer only a possibility to learn more about "Ishak", a line in the credits list and my heartfelt gratitude, of course :)

Nevertheless, I hope that such a volunteer could be found. As we say, "hope is dying the last";)

[simon]

Without wishing to over commit myself, I'd probably be able to help out.

[GregP]

I'll help out, too. Do you still have my email address?

[Mark J]

I can help a little also, the I-16 is a neat little machine. I have a few projects on the go at the moment but I'm sure I can help.
my address tiajoblin@xtra.co.nz
cheers
Mark

[andyo2000]

i dont know much about the aircraft themselves but i could help go through the english part.

[i16stealth]

Ok, fellows. So be it.

simon and andyo2000, please write your e-mails (Greg, yours is not forgotten:)).

Now the question is: do you prefer a "draft" of the article or more correct variant? Last will take more time.

I think it will be wize to give every article for two of you (in this situation you can work together and consult each other). What do you think about it?

[Mark J]

Hi, can't speak for the other guys but I would presume a draft would be OK. We could make corrections on the writen English, keeping your facts intact and maintaining a readable text.
cheers

[andyo2000]

i think a draft would be fine for me

my e-mail is kramer.andy@gmail.com

[Ricky]

I'm happy to help out also if needed.
richard_luton@hotmail.com

Edit - a draft is fine!

[simon]

simonr1978@ntlworld.com

And a draft will be fine too.

[Lightning]

Hi i16stealth,

Please don't think I'm avoiding helping out, but Mrs. Lightning is still in hospital (she's improving), and I'm pretty tied up right now.

Best of luck on your project. It looks like you've got some quality help from our colleagues. With them, you can't go wrong.

Regards,
Lightning

[simon]

I'm sorry to hear that Mrs Lightning's still in hospital (Krankenhaus, if my very rusty German can be trusted!), but glad she's improving.

All the best,

Simon.

[Romantic Technofreak]

I´m not supposed to help because I´m not an English native speaker. But I like to say my "good luck" to that project. Hope Mrs. Lightning is better soon, and, yes, Krankenhaus is o.k.

But what I would like to know is the URL of i16stealth´s website!?!:)

Regards, RT

[GregP]

Hi,

A draft is fine for me.

[Groggy]

quote:Originally posted by Lightning

Hi i16stealth,

Please don't think I'm avoiding helping out, but Mrs. Lightning is still in hospital (she's improving), and I'm pretty tied up right now.

Best of luck on your project. It looks like you've got some quality help from our colleagues. With them, you can't go wrong.

Regards,
Lightning

Hi
Does Mrs Lightning read English? Would a selection of newspapers etc. Be of interest???
Groggy

[Lightning]

Hi Groggy,

Thanks so much for the thought. She reads English, but she has more than enough books, papers, magazines, etc. to keep her busy. Actually, she hasn't been in much of a reading mood lately.

You guys don't realize how much I value your concerns. Thanks.

Regards,
Lightning

[Ricky]

Hi i16stealth,

A thought just struck...

It is not particularly important, but as the volunteers so far are a mixture of American & English, there will be slight differences in how they translate.

These differences will be very slight (mostly stuff like the spelling of words like color / colour), so will probably not be an issue. I just wondered if you would rather they were all to the same standard, and whether US or UK English was your preferance.
I should point out that Brits can do US English (and vice versa) without too much hassle, thanks to the joy of the MS Word Spellcheck.

Sorry to quibble over details...[:I]

[andyo2000]

Lightning, I wish your wife good luck in getting better.

[i16stealth]

Romantic Technofreak wrote:
quote:But what I would like to know is the URL of i16stealth´s website!?!

The address of the Russian version is http://i16fighter.narod.ru.I'm planning to add the English interface soon (probably, tomorrow). Its address will be http:/i16fighter.narod.ru/index_e.htm.

Ricky wrote:
quote:t is not particularly important, but as the volunteers so far are a mixture of American & English, there will be slight differences in how they translate.

Yes, Ricky, I haven't forgot about it. That's why I wanted to unite you in groups consisted of two people, one of those is British and one - American or the member of Commonwealth. What are your opinion, gentleman?

I suggest it'll be better to translate to UK English, just because it's an origin. But, as Ricky said, there are few differencies.

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To German genossen:

I think the work will be better made by English-speaking because it'll be more simple to them (I maybe wrong, as my opinion is based only on my own experience). For example, I can correct the text in Russian for minutes, but it'll take some days for me to do the same with the English text.

However, if you want to help, you can for example look the resulted texts for mistakes, when they're published in Web.

Lightning, I wish your wife to get better soon.

We decided that I'll send drafts. Do you prefer .doc or .htm?

I hope I'll prepare the drafts soon (one is ready now).

[Ricky]

.doc is better for me.:)

[simon]

Me too.

[i16stealth]

By the way, you can watch the beta-version of an article which is in fact an English summary of my project. It was translated by Dominique Lemaire and me.

http://www.lemaire.happyhost.org/avion/edito/17112.html

You can seek for mistakes there before it's published ;)

[andyo2000]

Excellent work! It took some effort, but I manage to find three whole mistakes. Between you and him, there isn't much need for more editing at all!

1. The third sentence of the editor's note, "Being a Belgian, I disagree on many of". I would say instead of "on", it should be "with".

2. In the Table of Contents, everything should be capitalized. Like in "The Types", "types" should be capitalized. And "war" should be capitalized in "At war in Spain and China".

As has been said before, there are no major mistakes in your english. There are probably more spelling and grammar issues in any of my longer posts than there are in the page I looked it :D

[i16stealth]

Thanks for help, andyo2000. If the article is all right, we'll publish it and my duty will be over:)

To all, who are still reading this: the drafts will soon come to your e-mails (I hope;)). Comments will be there. Format is .doc.

[andyo2000]

Ricky,

do you want to split it up or both do it independently?

[Ricky]

Whichever you prefer...
:)

I'll probably work through it all anyway (I get a bit like that when working...) so we could both do it all.

[Romantic Technofreak]

Hi Genosse I16Stealth,

quote:you wrote: However, if you want to help, you can for example look the resulted texts for mistakes, when they're published in Web.

In the moment not even that. Maybe you noticed that I am pretty silent in the last time, because I have too much to do (even in the evenings and weekends). But I´ll do my best if I have time again. Your server performance looks beeing a little feeble...[:0]

I am preparing a new GOT topic, this time a Soviet plane again...:) Hope I shall soon have time to do the main translation work!

Yours,
Romantic Technotovarishch

[i16stealth]

quote:Originally posted by Romantic Technofreak

Yours,
Romantic Technotovarishch


:D

P. S. What means GOT?

[Romantic Technofreak]

"GOT" means "Greg´s Obscure Types". About a year ago, Greg gave us a list of rare, inspiring types. Their history should be examined, because often it is widely unknown. So I decided to do descriptions about them, often available on the net only in Eastern European languages. I don´t speak them, but nowadays online translators are very helpful. I think I made already about 20 of them, while Ricky and Andy also contributed one each. They are all titulated by "GOT: The xxx-yyy...", so they are easily to be found by the search function.

Regards, RT

[i16stealth]

So...

Political discussions are good, but how's your drafts, gentleman?;)

I've already received the translation from andyo2000. MarkJ had problems with computer, so he is still working now. And what the others can say?:)

[Ricky]

Hi I16, I'm working on it!

I don't get as much time as I'd like, but it is on the way.

[Mark J]

It's amazing how much "stuff" you rely on BEFORE your computer crashes. Took awhile but I'm building up steam again.
Just over half way in my edit, hopefully ready by Monday night 12 + GMT.
Best wishes to your wife Lightning and as we say in NZ,

"hang in there mate"

cheers

[kiwimac]

If it is a short term project. I could help as well.

Kiwimac

[Lightning]

Hi Mark J,

Thanks for the kind words. She's been in-and-out-and-back-in the hospital. First time 63 days; this time projected to be about a week. Not life-threatening at present, but we'll be celebrating New Year's Eve in her hospital room. :( Here's hoping for a better year in 2006. All the best to you and all your "mates" in New Zealand.

Happy New Year,
Lightning

[Mark J]

Lightning
It's 2210 hours, 31 12 05, new year in almost two hours. I realise it'll be about another twenty hours for you and your wife, but our thoughts are with you.
cheers

oh yeah, I finished i-16's draft. Interesting!

Hi Kiwimac, welcome. I'm in Waiuku.

[i16stealth]

quote:Originally posted by kiwimac

If it is a short term project. I could help as well.

Kiwimac


If you're about translation, you can take the number of drafts you want, from 0 and further:)

[Groggy]

quote:Originally posted by Mark J

Lightning
It's 2210 hours, 31 12 05, new year in almost two hours. I realise it'll be about another twenty hours for you and your wife, but our thoughts are with you.
cheers

oh yeah, I finished i-16's draft. Interesting!

Hi Kiwimac, welcome. I'm in Waiuku.

Hi Mark,
Happy New Year, There used to be a Bristol Freighter parked in a wood
just a few miles from you on the coast ,We could never figure how the chap got it there, maybe towed it with a car truck?.
Do you have any details??.

[Groggy]

quote:Originally posted by Groggy

quote:Originally posted by Mark J

Lightning
It's 2210 hours, 31 12 05, new year in almost two hours. I realise it'll be about another twenty hours for you and your wife, but our thoughts are with you.
cheers

oh yeah, I finished i-16's draft. Interesting!

Hi Kiwimac, welcome. I'm in Waiuku.


Hi Folks,
Should have added Best wishes for the New Year To one and all.
Hi Mark,
Happy New Year, There used to be a Bristol Freighter parked in a wood
just a few miles from you on the coast ,We could never figure how the chap got it there, maybe towed it with a car truck?.
Do you have any details??.

[Mark J]

Hi Groggy
I've only been in this town for three years and havn't heard, mostly because I don't socialise much with two babies and working shifts but when I get a chance, I'll ask at the local museum. There is a BF parked up at Ardmore airfield, without it's engines. Thats about a thirty minute drive from here.
Any other details about the aircraft location?
cheers

[Groggy]

quote:Originally posted by Mark J

Hi Groggy
I've only been in this town for three years and havn't heard, mostly because I don't socialise much with two babies and working shifts but when I get a chance, I'll ask at the local museum. There is a BF parked up at Ardmore airfield, without it's engines. Thats about a thirty minute drive from here.
Any other details about the aircraft location?
cheers


Hi Mark,
It was very close to you, I was visiting a mate at Pukekohe and he decided we should go for a spin with the family and see some of the local sites. We passed through Waiuku visited a beach and the “heights”??? The entrance to Manukau Harbour. Then drove at random and by chance came upon this Bristol freighter in the middle of no where, for rest of you folks the Bristol Freighter was conceived as a 2WW transport to get into and out of airstrips in the Jungle etc. and one of the few good planes built by Bristol’s
We can not remember exactly its location. But the whole trip based on Pukekohe was encompassed with in an afternoon. And was on the Tasman Sea coast area. My best guess was on the Peninsular bit above you. We might have gone south of the River at one point. The sequence of events is a bit blurred. But we very surprised to find this fuselage in very good condition with no easy route in!
Can any one post a picture of the type so people can see why we were so surprised?

[Mark J]

Thanks Groggy, I'll have a look as soon as I can
cheers

[Mark J]

Hi again Groggy
I think I've found it. A Mk 31m built as G-AMCR with the RNZAF rego of NZ 5904. It's on Brook road Awhitu, near the top of the peninsula. I'll try and find time to have a look tomorrow and take a picture.
cheers

[Mark J]

Hi Groggy
Just got back from a drive to find the Bristol Freighter and found it in an overgrown quarter acre section/lot in a small rural settlement.
Give me an email address and I'll send you the 3 pictures I took.
It has the nose serial number of '02', it's ex RNZAF.
cheers

[Groggy]

quote:Originally posted by Mark J

Hi Groggy
Just got back from a drive to find the Bristol Freighter and found it in an overgrown quarter acre section/lot in a small rural settlement.
Give me an email address and I'll send you the 3 pictures I took.
It has the nose serial number of '02', it's ex RNZAF.
cheers

Hi Mark,
I have sent you an email with my address. I can not think of an example of a Bristol Freighter in the UK so was surprised to see your local bird and delighted by the one at Christchurch.

[Mark J]

Groggy, nothing recieved yet, I'm at
tiajoblin@xtra.co.nz
cheers

[kiwimac]

MarkJ,

I'm in the South Island (although a North Island boy by birth!)

Kiwimac

[Mark J]

Hi Kiwimac, where you live now and where do you hail from? Anywhere near Wanaka, home to the Wallis collection of Warbirds?

Groggy, still waiting for a message or is there somewhere I can upload the Bristol pictures too?

cheers

[Groggy]

quote:Originally posted by Mark J

Hi Kiwimac, where you live now and where do you hail from? Anywhere near Wanaka, home to the Wallis collection of Warbirds?

Groggy, still waiting for a message or is there somewhere I can upload the Bristol pictures too?

cheers

have sent three emails????

[i16stealth]

Time to publish some results:

andyo2000: one article finished, one in progress

Mark J: one finished

Ricky: one in progress

simon: one in progress

GregP: one in progress

To Mark J:

If you want to receive new drafts, you're always welcome ;)

To Ricky and simon:

I urge you to finish the articles (or at least to contact me) till January, 27 (this day I'll receive Internet connection again). If I have no information from you till this time, I will have to publish the English versions of the articles based on Mark's and Andy's work only.

To GregP:

Your draft wasn't doubled, so I hope you'll tell me when you can send me the result.

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All new helpers are welcome :)

[Ricky]

quote:Originally posted by i16stealth

To Ricky:

I urge you to finish the articles (or at least to contact me) till January, 27 (this day I'll receive Internet connection again). If I have no information from you till this time, I will have to publish the English versions of the articles based on Mark's and Andy's work only.

I'm sorry i16stealth, I have still not finished it, and I'm not sure that I can within the next few days.

And, to be totally honest, I'm not sure that what I have done is very good.[:I]

Sincere apologies.
Ricky

[i16stealth]

This was a work for volunteers, Ricky. So you don't need to apologize.

I've just published Andy's work on the similar draft (http://i16fighter.narod.ru/begin/begin_e.htm). You are able to go there and compare;)

[Ricky]

Now I'm glad I did not submit - Andy did a fantastic job!:)

[i16stealth]

Today I've published the translation made with the help of MarkJ (http://i16fighter.narod.ru/spain/spain_e.htm). Go and watch, if anyone interested.