Liberator Mk II ( LB - 30 )

[krakus57]

To everybody which can help me !

A looking for ANY materials ( documents , technical drawning , design , photos and s.o ) about Liberator Mk II ( series AL ) :

1./ AL -523
2./ AL - 616

I looking too ,for ANY informations about ;

3./ David F MacIntyre Collection ( owner Scottish Aviation Ltd at Prestwick )
and about archive SAL's archive ( now BEA ) , information at wartime's production at SAL during 1940 -1942 .( first of all about design of rebuild Liberator for transport and technical date after rebulding )
4./ All informations about AL-523 service in SAL and REA Farnborough since delivery date ( 16.X 41 ) until 23.V.42 , and then gone to SAL for rebuild for transport - and at 29.XI. 42 was ordered to 511 Sqn .
5./ About REA Farnborough 1940 -1943
6./ RAF Lyneham - Station of 511 Sqn and crews
7./ Flight performance of Liberator Mk II by take -off

Whichever information is so important for me and my book about TRUE REALLY TECHNICAL REASON Sikorski's plane crash at North Front .

Thanks for all Mike

[Kutscha]

Mike have you tried at http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/ ?

You might have better luck there getting some of your questions answered.

[krakus57]

Thanks Kutscha . I known that web site . I must try , but I have hope on our Forum I can get any information too .
May be I must have patience .
Best wishes to all - Mike

[ChrisMcD]

To everybody which can help me !
looking for ANY materials ( documents , technical drawning , design , photos and s.o ) about Liberator Mk II
Thanks for all Mike

Seen this?

http://www.fpp.co.uk/Legal/Discovery/DI/1858.html

I always suspect "pilot error" as a cop out - but this may be real. Or then again precise sabotage with the pilot having a persistent 'black out' for the period of the crash even after he has fully recovered.

So - no real help - but adds to the mystery!

Also, AFAIK wasn't Irvin the man who "confirmed" Hitlers Diaries were real!!

Chris McD

[krakus57]

Chris
, I don't interested in fair-tales and fable-writers ! . Really.
I had much materials but now I'm looking for details . To explain whole base of crash so important are flight performance REBUILTED at SAL in Prestwick Liberator Mk II. One reason is obvious - weight . All first models of Liberator - especially with LB -30 = Mk i and II ( until model B-24 version C and D )with P&W R 1830 - 33 (that eingines hadn't superturbocharger )had max weight by take -off :46 600 lbs. Prchal by take off had over 54 000 lbs. All aircrafts of series: AM , AL was for Consolidated Aircraft like as " prototype aircrafts "- unfinished both in project and making at San Diego and later at SAL . Is many details in first models of Liberator played maine impoted part . In AL's -case that was : eingine R PW 1830 - -33 ( or version 1830 S 3 C 4 G or S 3 C 4 or S 1 C 3 - G - they have from 1050 HP to 1200 HP ) how many hours in resurses eingine had , which type of Propeller ( Hamilton Standart or Curtiss Electric ) which model , blades and so on . In North Front Airfield are so dificullt wind turbolences . First Liberators was typical very failure force model and all is clear.

Best regard Mike

[ChrisMcD]

Chris, I don't interested in fair-tales and fable-writers ! . Really.
Best regard Mike

Mike,

You are entitled to your opinions, but Irving was a good investigator who had a reputation for coming up with novel documents challenging accepted facts. This particular document was part of a legal challenge and would have been very carefully checked. Irving was no friend of Churchill and would have delighted to embarrass him and damage his reputation.

If it was anything as obvious as overloading it would have been cleared up a long time ago. Liberators were 'routinely' overloaded and a very experienced pilot would be unlikely to commit that error, or for that matter C of G or shifting cargo mistakes, on what was a short leg of a long journey.

This is a clear eyewitness account of 'flying into terrain" where there is evidence that the pilot appears to have been behaving uncharacteristically (the Mae West) at the start of the flight. There is no mention of changes in engine tone, so he either was unaware of problems with the ailerons or missed his horizon.

I am not aware of Liberators 'sinking' when the u/c was raised, but once again the pilot was known to have his own way of doing things - hence the comment about staying low to pick up speed.

As I said earlier I do not like 'pilot error' as a reason, but it seems more reasonable than unexplained problems with that was at that stage of the war a very familar transport.

The only alternative is sabotage to the ailerons, but the pilot appeared unaware; both at the time - since he took no remedial action like boosting the engines and winding on trim and subsequently that there was anything wrong with the aircraft.

Sorry, but I think this is one conspiracy theory that has been put to rest.

Chris McD