Fighter received televised location plots at seige

[Groggy]

Fighter received televised location plots at seige of Leningrad
Hi Folks,
A story reported in Soviet Weekly some twenty years ago. It was claimed that television pictures of the combat plotting table was transmitted to fighters to help the locate German Aircraft during the Siege of Leningrad. Any comments, details?

[montanamotor]

VERY unlikely, Groggy.

The Sovjet Union was LIGHTYEARS behind Germany and USA, concerning TV-development, during late 30s, early 40s. I can only guess that, the use of the "Braunsche Elektonenröhre" (Braun's kathode-ray-tube) for depicting data fetched by radar (the tube being basically identical to a TV-tube) may have mislead someone, who was unfamiliar with the technical background of TV and radar, to misinterprete a radar-screen for a TV-screen.

And, don't forget: Electronic cameras, which were suited to shoot and transmit a live-picture, were only developed FIRST in the USA in the late 40s.

So I am afraid, that "Soviet WWII-anti-air-raid-TV" will substantiate as a myth, only.

Cheers!

Montanamotor

[ChrisMcD]

Hi Montanamotor

I think that the germans were first with TV guided missiles.

there were a number, but this is an interesting comment!

http://www.let.uu.nl/~william.uricchio/personal/SWEDEN1.html

[montanamotor]

Hi, Chris,

I have heard about this matter before. But I am not shure what kind of targeting and controll the "Tonne"-device really used. I know that, for example, the "Fritz X" anti-ship-gliding bomb was controlled via a thin wire and was aimed towards it's target via a kind of bomb-sight, which the "bombardier" had to hold locked on the target, like today's laser-guidances are being locket onto their target, yet automaticaly, while the bomb or rocket would fly towards it's final destination - also aiming automatically at the target, whereas the Fritz X had to be controlled manually, like a 1,4 ton r/c-model...

Do you have any more specific data on the "Tonne"? I couldn't find another bit of information, that would lead beyound the excerpt which you brought up so far.

Cheers,

Montanamotor

[ChrisMcD]

Hi Again Montanamotor,

The Hs 293 D is the usual TV guided missile quoted - I only cited the 'Tonne' because of the strange lead!

This reference

http://www.1jma.dk/articles/1jmaluftwaffegroundweapons.htm

appears to indicate that the D version of the 293 was guided with a radio signal TV image, which confirms what I had read elsewhere.

Regards

Chris McD

[montanamotor]

Uuuh,

really bad toys for really bad boys...

Sometimes I could use one ot those to close any further discussion of my annual tax-declaration with the german tax office! [:o)]

Cheers!

Montanamotor

[JoeB]

quote:Originally posted by ChrisMcD


The Hs 293 D is the usual TV guided missile quoted - I only cited the 'Tonne' because of the strange lead!

This reference

As the reference notes the versions of Frit X and Hs 293 used operationally were guided by manual radio command to line of sight. The bombardier flew the bomb/missile with a controller, trying to keep the flare on the missile centered on his view of the target. Radio not wire, which is how the bombs were countered with ECM. Development of German TV guided weapons was still ongoing when the war ended.

The first successful operationally used TV guided weapon was the USN TDR twin engine prop TV guided explosive carrying drone. A number were used in the Pacific in late 1944, controlled from Avenger a/c. The other USN TV guidance of effort was Project Anvil, to make PB4Y's (B-24) into explosive laden TV guided drones. Not successful and remembered for the death of Joseph Kennedy, brother of the future US President.

I would be open minded about Soviet TV development. TV systems existed in the West prior to WWII, it was commercial TV broadcasting that started in the late 40's, not the basic technology.

Joe

[Groggy]

quote:Originally posted by JoeB

quote:Originally posted by ChrisMcD


The Hs 293 D is the usual TV guided missile quoted - I only cited the 'Tonne' because of the strange lead!

This reference

As the reference notes the versions of Frit X and Hs 293 used operationally were guided by manual radio command to line of sight. The bombardier flew the bomb/missile with a controller, trying to keep the flare on the missile centered on his view of the target. Radio not wire, which is how the bombs were countered with ECM. Development of German TV guided weapons was still ongoing when the war ended.

The first successful operationally used TV guided weapon was the USN TDR twin engine prop TV guided explosive carrying drone. A number were used in the Pacific in late 1944, controlled from Avenger a/c. The other USN TV guidance of effort was Project Anvil, to make PB4Y's (B-24) into explosive laden TV guided drones. Not successful and remembered for the death of Joseph Kennedy, brother of the future US President.

I would be open minded about Soviet TV development. TV systems existed in the West prior to WWII, it was commercial TV broadcasting that started in the late 40's, not the basic technology.

Joe


Hi Folks

On one occasion they claim to have received pictures broadcast from London of the desert war “ by accident its technical characteristics coincided with the parameters of the Leningrad system…” at a later date “transmit the picture to a Yak 9. The small TV set fitted well in the in the cockpit, Though some of the navigation instruments had to be moved.”